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	<description>Live on Your Own Terms</description>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://www.illuminatedmind.net/2009/03/17/the-lie-of-the-four-hour-work-week/#comment-32064</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like it when people define their terms upfront. But when people start throwing accusations around about definitions and perspectives.... It&#039;s childish. Furthermore, I am sure you picked the title of this post for much the same reasons that Tim picked his title for. In short, you are being a hypocrite. So much simpler to write about the how your perspective changes when you define this differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like it when people define their terms upfront. But when people start throwing accusations around about definitions and perspectives&#8230;. It&#8217;s childish. Furthermore, I am sure you picked the title of this post for much the same reasons that Tim picked his title for. In short, you are being a hypocrite. So much simpler to write about the how your perspective changes when you define this differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Denver</title>
		<link>http://www.illuminatedmind.net/2009/03/17/the-lie-of-the-four-hour-work-week/#comment-31629</link>
		<dc:creator>Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed reading this and I think you have a lot of insightful commentary... with that said, I think you should also consider what the average person does for &#039;work&#039; and what their options are.  I can&#039;t really imagine Susie in HR finding the statements: &#039;Work is giving yourself. It’s creative self-expression. It’s opening your heart and providing value to others.&#039; to really apply to her.  I personally really enjoy my job and can relate to a lot of the comments you make, however if you showed me a way to do my job more efficiently and spend more time on the golf course or traveling or spending time with loved ones - i&#039;m almost 100% certain i&#039;d take you up on it.  Stop romanticizing the working world - its a grind for the majority of people in it - we&#039;re not all artists that can &#039;give ourselves and self express and give our hearts to our jobs...&#039; just not practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this and I think you have a lot of insightful commentary&#8230; with that said, I think you should also consider what the average person does for &#8216;work&#8217; and what their options are.  I can&#8217;t really imagine Susie in HR finding the statements: &#8216;Work is giving yourself. It’s creative self-expression. It’s opening your heart and providing value to others.&#8217; to really apply to her.  I personally really enjoy my job and can relate to a lot of the comments you make, however if you showed me a way to do my job more efficiently and spend more time on the golf course or traveling or spending time with loved ones &#8211; i&#8217;m almost 100% certain i&#8217;d take you up on it.  Stop romanticizing the working world &#8211; its a grind for the majority of people in it &#8211; we&#8217;re not all artists that can &#8216;give ourselves and self express and give our hearts to our jobs&#8230;&#8217; just not practical.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonicsuns</title>
		<link>http://www.illuminatedmind.net/2009/03/17/the-lie-of-the-four-hour-work-week/#comment-31456</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonicsuns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does not make sense.

Tim defines work as &quot;stuff that you don&#039;t want to do, (but you do it anyway to make money)&quot;
According to you (and I agree), most people define work as &quot;[akin to] slavery, toiling and punishment. Work is seen as something you have to do to pay your dues&quot;

So, what you&#039;re saying here is: Most people agree with Tim&#039;s definition of work.

Then you state that Tim&#039;s definition is too narrow.
But most people agree with Tim.
Words are typically defined by what most people think. (&quot;duck&quot; only means &quot;duck&quot; because people believe that that&#039;s what it means)
Thus, it&#039;s not that Tim&#039;s definition is too narrow, but rather that your definition is too broad!

Where you say &quot;work&quot;, most of us would say &quot;activity&quot;

So when Tim says we&#039;ve got to do less work, you interpret this to mean that we should do less activity, i.e. have boring lives. This leads you to write: &quot;Sure, you’d have a lot of free time, but is that really what you’re looking for? Just free time?&quot;

Of course not! Ferris devotes a whole chapter to the pursuit of meaningful activities once work (what you would call &quot;chores&quot;) has been minimized. That chapter is called &quot;Filling the Void&quot;. Here&#039;s a quote: &quot;Isn&#039;t more time what we&#039;re after? Isn&#039;t that what this book is all about? &lt;b&gt;No, not at all&lt;/b&gt;. [...] For some, the answer will be working with orphans, and for others, it will be composing music. I have a personal answer to both - to love, be loved, and never stop learning.&quot;

It seems to me that you and Tim &lt;i&gt;agree&lt;/i&gt; on almost everything! The only thing you disagree on is the definition of &quot;work&quot;. And for that you call him a liar.

It just doesn&#039;t make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does not make sense.</p>
<p>Tim defines work as &#8220;stuff that you don&#8217;t want to do, (but you do it anyway to make money)&#8221;<br />
According to you (and I agree), most people define work as &#8220;[akin to] slavery, toiling and punishment. Work is seen as something you have to do to pay your dues&#8221;</p>
<p>So, what you&#8217;re saying here is: Most people agree with Tim&#8217;s definition of work.</p>
<p>Then you state that Tim&#8217;s definition is too narrow.<br />
But most people agree with Tim.<br />
Words are typically defined by what most people think. (&#8220;duck&#8221; only means &#8220;duck&#8221; because people believe that that&#8217;s what it means)<br />
Thus, it&#8217;s not that Tim&#8217;s definition is too narrow, but rather that your definition is too broad!</p>
<p>Where you say &#8220;work&#8221;, most of us would say &#8220;activity&#8221;</p>
<p>So when Tim says we&#8217;ve got to do less work, you interpret this to mean that we should do less activity, i.e. have boring lives. This leads you to write: &#8220;Sure, you’d have a lot of free time, but is that really what you’re looking for? Just free time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course not! Ferris devotes a whole chapter to the pursuit of meaningful activities once work (what you would call &#8220;chores&#8221;) has been minimized. That chapter is called &#8220;Filling the Void&#8221;. Here&#8217;s a quote: &#8220;Isn&#8217;t more time what we&#8217;re after? Isn&#8217;t that what this book is all about? <b>No, not at all</b>. [...] For some, the answer will be working with orphans, and for others, it will be composing music. I have a personal answer to both &#8211; to love, be loved, and never stop learning.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that you and Tim <i>agree</i> on almost everything! The only thing you disagree on is the definition of &#8220;work&#8221;. And for that you call him a liar.</p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.illuminatedmind.net/2009/03/17/the-lie-of-the-four-hour-work-week/#comment-29975</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this article funny; was the author a liberal?

It seems that to make his point he has to redifine everything.  I guess he thinks it depends on what the meaning of &quot;is&quot; is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article funny; was the author a liberal?</p>
<p>It seems that to make his point he has to redifine everything.  I guess he thinks it depends on what the meaning of &#8220;is&#8221; is.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Skakun</title>
		<link>http://www.illuminatedmind.net/2009/03/17/the-lie-of-the-four-hour-work-week/#comment-29394</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Skakun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I love your perspective on the book and Ferris&#039;s ideas.

I&#039;m reading the book now and have loved it so far. I don&#039;t think we need to take the idea of a 4 hour workweek as literal, a 14 hour workweek might be more realistic, or even a 24 hour workweek. Some people who have built wealth in their lifetimes have 1hr work weeks.

What I found as I started reading the book is that Ferris is like most of us, he looks to get more done and wants to enjoy life as well, in an over extreme way. I personally don&#039;t care about sports that much or all that other stuff he talks about in his bio. HOWEVER, I would like to take more time to enjoy myself and vacation in places like Fiji or California, spend more time with friends and family and do other things I&#039;ve always wanted to do etc etc.

This doesn&#039;t mean that we have to view work as something to eliminate. I think I&#039;d want to do what I was doing even if I was FI. I actually have plans for a mini retirement(image that at 19:D), coding open source projects and contributing my skills for nothing in return(both as servitude and because I love doing it). I could do this at home, at an office or laying on the beach with a cigar and a laptop.

I AGREE with you that work is sacred, but there are different definitions of work as well: no one says it has to be 4hrs and no one says it has to be 40hrs a week. Some work takes longer than other work. Some people&#039;s work is building their wealth, other people&#039;s &quot;work&quot; is ruthless discipline for a shot at the Olympics. I might agree with you more than I agree with Tim&#039;s view on work. I like his no bs view: &quot;don&#039;t focus on the minutia&quot; but most people would be bored out of their skulls with Tim&#039;s life, basically because most people haven&#039;t got a clue what to do when they don&#039;t have work. And that can be OK, but not when there&#039;s other things in life out there that should be enjoyed.

Overall if you take bits and peaces out of this book and apply it to your own work/career life you can benefit. You don&#039;t need to live his life but I believe something valuable can be taken from this book. Somehow it&#039;s almost like E-myth. The only thing I get confused on is this concept of working only 4hrs a week, up front he presents it as a novel idea, once you&#039;re in the book you realize this is nothing new, people have been finding ways to leverage their time and resources for years and years. And the fact that he used the Internet doesn&#039;t make it any newer an idea, it&#039;s just another way to make money. Just as realistic as, 100 years ago, creating a car company and selling model T&#039;s or starting a bank.

It all depends on where you want to go, what you&#039;re working for, and what else life has to offer you/what else you want to experience.

Enjoyed reading your article:)

Cheers, and Happy New Year!
Clinton Skakun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I love your perspective on the book and Ferris&#8217;s ideas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading the book now and have loved it so far. I don&#8217;t think we need to take the idea of a 4 hour workweek as literal, a 14 hour workweek might be more realistic, or even a 24 hour workweek. Some people who have built wealth in their lifetimes have 1hr work weeks.</p>
<p>What I found as I started reading the book is that Ferris is like most of us, he looks to get more done and wants to enjoy life as well, in an over extreme way. I personally don&#8217;t care about sports that much or all that other stuff he talks about in his bio. HOWEVER, I would like to take more time to enjoy myself and vacation in places like Fiji or California, spend more time with friends and family and do other things I&#8217;ve always wanted to do etc etc.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean that we have to view work as something to eliminate. I think I&#8217;d want to do what I was doing even if I was FI. I actually have plans for a mini retirement(image that at 19:D), coding open source projects and contributing my skills for nothing in return(both as servitude and because I love doing it). I could do this at home, at an office or laying on the beach with a cigar and a laptop.</p>
<p>I AGREE with you that work is sacred, but there are different definitions of work as well: no one says it has to be 4hrs and no one says it has to be 40hrs a week. Some work takes longer than other work. Some people&#8217;s work is building their wealth, other people&#8217;s &#8220;work&#8221; is ruthless discipline for a shot at the Olympics. I might agree with you more than I agree with Tim&#8217;s view on work. I like his no bs view: &#8220;don&#8217;t focus on the minutia&#8221; but most people would be bored out of their skulls with Tim&#8217;s life, basically because most people haven&#8217;t got a clue what to do when they don&#8217;t have work. And that can be OK, but not when there&#8217;s other things in life out there that should be enjoyed.</p>
<p>Overall if you take bits and peaces out of this book and apply it to your own work/career life you can benefit. You don&#8217;t need to live his life but I believe something valuable can be taken from this book. Somehow it&#8217;s almost like E-myth. The only thing I get confused on is this concept of working only 4hrs a week, up front he presents it as a novel idea, once you&#8217;re in the book you realize this is nothing new, people have been finding ways to leverage their time and resources for years and years. And the fact that he used the Internet doesn&#8217;t make it any newer an idea, it&#8217;s just another way to make money. Just as realistic as, 100 years ago, creating a car company and selling model T&#8217;s or starting a bank.</p>
<p>It all depends on where you want to go, what you&#8217;re working for, and what else life has to offer you/what else you want to experience.</p>
<p>Enjoyed reading your article:)</p>
<p>Cheers, and Happy New Year!<br />
Clinton Skakun</p>
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		<title>By: The Lie of The Four Hour Work Week. &#124; Illuminated Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.illuminatedmind.net/2009/03/17/the-lie-of-the-four-hour-work-week/#comment-29389</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lie of The Four Hour Work Week. &#124; Illuminated Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.illuminatedmind.net/2009/03/17/the-lie-of-the-four-hour-work-week/#comment-29079</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is mindless and vague considering how abstractly the blogger claims how &quot;work&quot; is so valuable with not one real life example or anecdote.  Ferris provided plenty of examples of eliminating time at work (which he defines as time used to generate income) so one could pursue their passion or travel the world.  Please inform me how that statement is &quot;wrong&quot; as dictated by the title of this post?  One more question: what is the bloggers mode of generating income?  Does the author desire more income?  Probably.  And Ferris&#039; tried and true ideas could help that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is mindless and vague considering how abstractly the blogger claims how &#8220;work&#8221; is so valuable with not one real life example or anecdote.  Ferris provided plenty of examples of eliminating time at work (which he defines as time used to generate income) so one could pursue their passion or travel the world.  Please inform me how that statement is &#8220;wrong&#8221; as dictated by the title of this post?  One more question: what is the bloggers mode of generating income?  Does the author desire more income?  Probably.  And Ferris&#8217; tried and true ideas could help that</p>
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		<title>By: Laughable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laughable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your two points for why the 4HWW are a lie are YOUR opinions/perspectives.  Your presentation of work as sacred has precisely the same tact as Ferris&#039;s arguments; you&#039;re shaping the perspectives of your readers.

Work is no more sacred than it is a chore; it&#039;s opinion akin to &quot;one man&#039;s trash is another man&#039;s treasure.&quot;

I can respect your opinion; it&#039;s what YOU think of the 4HWW.  Try to be a little more mindful, however, that what may not work for you won&#039;t work for someone else.

Your opinion does not prove something to be a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your two points for why the 4HWW are a lie are YOUR opinions/perspectives.  Your presentation of work as sacred has precisely the same tact as Ferris&#8217;s arguments; you&#8217;re shaping the perspectives of your readers.</p>
<p>Work is no more sacred than it is a chore; it&#8217;s opinion akin to &#8220;one man&#8217;s trash is another man&#8217;s treasure.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can respect your opinion; it&#8217;s what YOU think of the 4HWW.  Try to be a little more mindful, however, that what may not work for you won&#8217;t work for someone else.</p>
<p>Your opinion does not prove something to be a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Living the 4 hour work week</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living the 4 hour work week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the book a short while ago and really enjoyed it. Mr Ferriss has an enthusiastic and contagious writing style and he gives some good advice on how to implement the concepts outlined in his book.

However, none of the ideas are new and some of his assertions are plain wrong, for example, to suggest that the 80/20 principle has been forgotten is just plain silly. 

In spite of all of this and without the desire to leave my current job (or work only 4 hours a week) I am in the process of trying to implement the techniques described. 

I can tell you that it isn&#039;t easy, in large part because old habits are hard to break.My idea is simply to gain a little extra income every month and not to become a millionaire so I&#039;m not aiming for a mega-business but it&#039;s still tough going..

The real challenge isn&#039;t breaking old habits though. Instead it is developing the business idea into a viable business. Mr Ferriss advocates an informational business rather than products but that basically means writing a book - not a simple task.

I&#039;m still battling through it though because I reckon that I can achieve a small passive income by implementing the ideas. So, it won&#039;t be a 4 hour work week for me but perhaps I&#039;ll be able to take the family away from the city a few more times a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the book a short while ago and really enjoyed it. Mr Ferriss has an enthusiastic and contagious writing style and he gives some good advice on how to implement the concepts outlined in his book.</p>
<p>However, none of the ideas are new and some of his assertions are plain wrong, for example, to suggest that the 80/20 principle has been forgotten is just plain silly. </p>
<p>In spite of all of this and without the desire to leave my current job (or work only 4 hours a week) I am in the process of trying to implement the techniques described. </p>
<p>I can tell you that it isn&#8217;t easy, in large part because old habits are hard to break.My idea is simply to gain a little extra income every month and not to become a millionaire so I&#8217;m not aiming for a mega-business but it&#8217;s still tough going..</p>
<p>The real challenge isn&#8217;t breaking old habits though. Instead it is developing the business idea into a viable business. Mr Ferriss advocates an informational business rather than products but that basically means writing a book &#8211; not a simple task.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still battling through it though because I reckon that I can achieve a small passive income by implementing the ideas. So, it won&#8217;t be a 4 hour work week for me but perhaps I&#8217;ll be able to take the family away from the city a few more times a year.</p>
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		<title>By: An Introduction To Lifestyle Design</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Introduction To Lifestyle Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the terminology and offered several techniques for designing the lifestyle of your choice. Though some have bashed the idea of a 4-hour work week, many other books, blogs, and websites have since popped up [...]</description>
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